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Re: Najd�u�sza jaskinia na �wiecie Sac Actun connected to Noh

stachu — 29-01-2007, 23:50

Autor: stachu

Wys�any: 29-01-2007, 23:50

ale sie porobilo wy i pieklo w ten sposob z niebem polaczycie ..haha dobre no nie ........pozdrawiam stachu

Re: Najd�u�sza jaskinia na �wiecie Sac Actun connected to Noh

rixi — 29-01-2007, 22:23

Autor: rixi

Wys�any: 29-01-2007, 22:23

Przepraszam bo ja nie sprawdzilem listy questa bo rzeczywiscie tam sie notatka taka pojawila ... ale wraz z odnosnikiem do strony qrss ... poza tym nie sadzilem ze moja uwaga spowoduje zejscie z glownego tematu ktorym jest polaczenie tych systemow w jeden ...

a podobnie do Ox Bel Ha Sac Actun ma ciagle mozliwosci rozwoju ... teoretycznie moze dalej postepowac wzdluz north coba road czyli od historycznej czesci sac actun (od sekcji papilany w strone cenote pirania i dalej przez ich tunich do zapote, tortuga, camilio az do Actun Ha czyli Carwasha...
jak twierdza niektorzy (lokalni nurkowie jaskiniowi) to pod czescia Quintana Roo od Puerta Aventuras az po Tulum to wszystko jeden wielki system jaskiniowy
(np sekcja Nohoch Nah Chich z Sac Actun jest polaczona z systemem Dos Ojos sucha jaskinia tuz za cenota pet cementary - ale sucha jaskinia sie nie liczy do wyscigu o najdluzszy zalany woda system ...)

Pozdro
rixi

Re: Najd�u�sza jaskinia na �wiecie Sac Actun connected to Noh

Mania — 29-01-2007, 21:48

Autor: Mania

Wys�any: 29-01-2007, 21:48

Mysiar
rixi ma racje....

To ze cos jest na liscie Questa nie znaczy, ze opisuje wylacznie rzeczy zrobione przez GUEwcow....

Rozumiem, ze jestes swiezym czytelnikiem listy Quest....

Mania

Re: Najd�u�sza jaskinia na �wiecie Sac Actun connected to Noh

rixi — 28-01-2007, 09:46

Autor: rixi

Wys�any: 28-01-2007, 09:46

Uf czlowiecze nie wiedzialem ze sie czepiasz tego ze sie enter wcisnal ...

Cytat:

�r�d�o lista GUE
http://www.caves.org/project/qrss/new.htm

A poza tym polecam ci leprze formulowanie zdan wtedy latwiej bedzie cie czytac ze zrozumieniem jesli ktos podaje zrodlo lista gue a pod tym link do strony qrss to cos chyba nie tak ... zwrocilem jedynie uwage ze qrss to nie gue a ty wypisujesz ze bzdury pisze ??? hmmm moze masz racje ... jesli nie widzisz roznicy ...
pozdro
rx
a btw nie znamy sie wiec nie widze powodu bys mnie nazywal pacanem ... troszke kulturki co ??
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Re: Najd�u�sza jaskinia na �wiecie Sac Actun connected to Noh

Anonymous — 28-01-2007, 09:36

Autor: Anonymous

Wys�any: 28-01-2007, 09:36

naucz sie pacanie czytac tekst ze zrozumieniem to nie bedziesz mial watpliwosci
mto to wisi co Ty na ten temat sobie myslisz
zamiescilem informacje i podalem zrodlo z ktorego te informacje otrzymalem a Ty bardzo autorytatywnie stwierdasz

Cytat:

EEE no nie lista

wiec aby zakonczyc temat przeczytaj jeszcze raz moj post od poczatku i pomysl, jezeli takowa czynnosc nie jest Ci obca

Re: Najd�u�sza jaskinia na �wiecie Sac Actun connected to Noh

rixi — 28-01-2007, 09:12

Autor: rixi

Wys�any: 28-01-2007, 09:12

mysiar napisa�/a:

rixi napisa�/a:

EEE no nie lista
GUE Steve i Robi nie sa dirowcami ...
wiadomosci ktore podales pochodza zze strony Quintana Roo Speleological Survey a nie ze strony GUE
pozdrawiam
Rixi

ale bzdury napisales, ze az zal czytac

http://www.caves.org/project/qrss/new.htm
Polecam ten link ... jesli masz watpliwosci ... moze ta wiadomosc byla zamieszczona na gue liscie ale Jim Coke zamiescil to na stronie QRSS po otrzymaniu informacji od Explorerow ...
a jesli chodzi ci o drugiego posta to jest to orginalny mail od Steva ... a jak ci zal czytac to nie czytaj bo sie zmeczysz ...
btw text zostal zamieszczony na roznych stronach i jak widzisz na twojej "gue" jest tez link do QRSS wiec gdzie te bzdury ???
pozdro
rx

Re: Najd�u�sza jaskinia na �wiecie Sac Actun connected to Noh

Anonymous — 27-01-2007, 15:02

Autor: Anonymous

Wys�any: 27-01-2007, 15:02

rixi napisa�/a:

EEE no nie lista
GUE Steve i Robi nie sa dirowcami ...
wiadomosci ktore podales pochodza zze strony Quintana Roo Speleological Survey a nie ze strony GUE
pozdrawiam
Rixi

ale bzdury napisales, ze az zal czytac

Re: Najd�u�sza jaskinia na �wiecie Sac Actun connected to Noh

rixi — 26-01-2007, 20:48

Autor: rixi

Wys�any: 26-01-2007, 20:48

EEE no nie lista
GUE Steve i Robi nie sa dirowcami ...
wiadomosci ktore podales pochodza zze strony Quintana Roo Speleological Survey a nie ze strony GUE
pozdrawiam
Rixi

[ Dodano: 27-01-2007, 12:24 ]
Hejka,
Ponizej podaje list jaki otrzymalem od Steve Bogaerts. Jesli ktos czytuje decostop to tam ten lis zostal zamieszczony przez Matta.
Robi (Xibalba dive center) i Steve (AzteckDiving) od kilku lat eksplorowali region Muul Ha.
A wczesniejszym osiagnieciem bylo przylaczenie jaskini Abejas do Sac Actun i Temple of Doom.
Pozdrawiam
Rx

Dear Friends,

On 25 January, 2007 Robbie Schmittner and I were finally able to connect Sistema Sac Actun formerly the second longest underwater cave system in the world to Sistema Nohoch Nah Chich formerly the third longest underwater cave system in the world.

Sistema Sac Actun is now the longest underwater cave in the world overtaking the previously unrivaled Sistema Ox Bel Ha.

Sac is now also the longest cave in Mexico and the 9th longest cave in the world which includes all of the dry cave systems.

This accomplishment has been 4 years in the making. It has been an incredible adventure and at times an emotional rollercoaster as we have been close on several occasions but not been able to make the final connection. We were both confident at one point that we would have made the connection by December 2004 as we had promising leads from both sides but they never quite made it and it ended up taking us another 3 years to achieve.

The final connection between Sistema Nohoch Nah Chich and Sistema Sac Actun occurred between the Muul Ha region in Sac Actun, and the Cenote Manati (aka Casa Cenote) region in Nohoch Nah Chich. Cenote Por One, an extremely small and uninviting cave, is positioned between these two areas. Following eight months of sidemount and no-mount exploration, Por One was connected to Sistema Nohoch Nah Chich on the 12th January.

Seven more days of exploration dives following this led to the final connection between Sac and Nohoch.

On the day of the connection Robbie started his dive from Muul Ha in sidemount configuration equipped with 5 tanks, a dpv and a bottle of champagne! I began my dive from Manati wearing my sidemount harness over my no-mount rig with 3 tanks a dpv and a digital camera. The side mount harness would be staged forty five minutes into the dive and another 45 minutes no-mounting would bring me to the end of the line. We timed our dives to arrive at the connection point at the same time placed the bottle of Champagne between the 2 lines and used that to make the station for the final tie off between the two cave systems.

It is now possible to traverse from the Pabilany cenote (W of the Calimba cenote on the Coba Road) around the Grand Cenote (Sac Actun), Cenote Esqueleto (Temple of Doom), Cenote Naval, Cenote Abejas, Cenote Nohoch Kin, bypass Manati, press on to Balancanche, Cenote Nohoch Nah Chich, pass by the Dinner Hole Cenote, and end up in the Dirty Dog or Pet Cemetery Cenotes. In straight line distance, that's a bit over 10 kilometers. But there's 152,975 meters (501,887 feet) of cave to look at on the way.

As Sac Actun was 14,300 meters (47,000 feet) longer than Nohoch Nah Chich at the time of connection, following cave naming convention the entire cave will now be known as Sistema Sac Actun.

When examining an area overview it is apparent that the last four years of exploration have had a radical impact on the appearance of the coastal drainage patterns and may well require a rethink on the hydrology of the area as well as showing the extremely high degree of connectivity in this karst aquifer.

Robbie and I both hope that our work will be useful for scientists and conservationists seeking to learn more about this unique and fragile environment and get it the protection it deserves.

Regards

Steve

Steve Bogaerts

Najd�u�sza jaskinia na �wiecie Sac Actun connected to Noh

Anonymous — 26-01-2007, 11:30

Autor: Anonymous

Wys�any: 26-01-2007, 11:30

�r�d�o lista GUE
http://www.caves.org/project/qrss/new.htm

25 January, 2007 - After three years of dedicated exploration,
Sistema Sac Actun is now the longest underwater cave in the world,
and Mexico's longest cave. The final connection between Sistema
Nohoch Nah Chich and Sistema Sac Actun occurred between the Muul Ha
region in Sac Actun, and the Cenote Manati region in Nohoch Nah
Chich. Cenote Por One, a rather small and uninviting cave, is
positioned between these two areas. Given eight months of sidemount
exploration, Por One was connected to Sistema Nohoch Nah Chich last
week. Four successive days of exploration dives by Steve Bogaerts and
Robbie Schmittner led to the final connection between Sac and Nohoch.
As Sac Actun was 14,300 meters (47,000 feet) longer than Nohoch Nah
Chich at the time of connection, the explorers have named the entire
cave Sistema Sac Actun.